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Kev.. have you told your wife that you removed "Can't Buy Me Love" from the list and at the same time lost all validity as a poster on the Rewind. Oops did I type that last part.. I was only suppose to think it. Ha..
Similar to Ronnie mentioning not liking "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" and Kev over watching "Can't Buy Me Love" .. I actually have the same of type issue with "The Breakfast Club" and probably "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".. I totally agree that as a collective group that they deserve to be on a top ten list maybe even top 5 as movies that reflected/influenced 80's teen life.. but from a personal enjoyment stand point they are like Secret Admirer forcing me to watch "Weird Science" everytime I visit his house.
Once again similar to the Valley Girl 20 Questions thread.. it has been a blast seeing so many different folks post their thoughts on the threads. I wish it happened more often because it is fun to have discussions like this with so many differing opinions.
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I agree! It has been a blast seeing so many people post their thoughts....I love when a topic gets Rewinders out of hiding.........
So I just thought of a movie to consider??
Dream a Little Dream
might be close to a top ten for me because I saw it so much then.........it was one of my favs.....highschool life, best friends, bullies, loves??? What do ya think?
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quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: Are you people mental?? There's NO WAY you're cutting Fast Times from an 80's teen flick list! That's like cutting The Godfather from a mob movie list! Whether you like it or not, it more or less set the template for anything that followed! It stays!
Agreed!
quote:Some Kind Of Wonderful- This I would cut, and put in the awesomeness that is Tuff Turf!
You can cut it if you want... but for Tuff Turf?! I have a bullet with your name on it... and Paul has a gun!
quote:Pretty In Pink- Hmmm... i'd cut this for three reasons. No chemistry between leads, Duckie... I ****ing hate that guy, and the ugliest prom dress in history! True, im no expert on womens wear, but even I could tell that, that thing belonged in the damn dumpster! Spader is awesomely douchy in this movie though, but PP has to go. And i'd replace it with Lost Boys!
Ok, you're talking about replacing PiP and SKoW?! That defies all logic! One or t'other - but not both!
quote:Ferris Bueller's Day Off- Im aware of the cult like status of this movie, but I just don't like it. i'd put the much superior Three O' Clock High in it's place!
Interesting switch! I'm feeling that! DONE!
quote:Say Anything- Bla bla boombox scene, bla bla, kickboxing, sport of the future, bla bla, Frasier's dad steals from old people.... we get it! No, seriously, this flick has its moments. But dare i substitute it with the admittedly lighter, but more enjoyable The Sure Thing? I think I dare.
I think I'd be with you the whole way!
quote:Anyway, that's my two cents....
Worth at least $1!
quote:I'm actually feeling Lucas.....although a top ten??? maybe 12 or 13?
Top ten! It has in heart what 'Lost Boys' has in style!
quote:Similar to Ronnie mentioning not liking "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" and Kev over watching "Can't Buy Me Love" .. I actually have the same of type issue with "The Breakfast Club" and probably "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".. I totally agree that as a collective group that they deserve to be on a top ten list maybe even top 5 as movies that reflected/influenced 80's teen life.. but from a personal enjoyment stand point they are like Secret Admirer forcing me to watch "Weird Science" everytime I visit his house.
I'm with you on that, Valley. Much as I love them, the two Hughes movies I could stand losing the least (after the obvious cut: 'Weird Science') are BC and FB. It all comes down to personal preference.
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I know cutting both SKOW and PP may seem a bit harsh, but I really don't like SKOW, and PP just has too many cons to its pros. Spader makes the movie for me, and some of the tunes, the 80's feel, but that's it! Yeah, I replaced it with Lost Boys, which I kinda agree is not "technically" a teen flick, but still....!
And I had to make room for Tuff Turf, So SKOW had to go....
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quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: I know cutting both SKOW and PP may seem a bit harsh, but I really don't like SKOW, and PP just has too many cons to its pros. Spader makes the movie for me, and some of the tunes, the 80's feel, but that's it! Yeah, I replaced it with Lost Boys, which I kinda agree is not "technically" a teen flick, but still....!
And I had to make room for Tuff Turf, So SKOW had to go....
JAY LEE.. too bad about about your log-in suddenly not working anymore.
I'm a huge fan of "Tuff Turf" .. not sure about top 10, but it is a great flick and at least needs to be considered.
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The Outsiders...nobody ever mentions the The Outsiders,...or Rumble Fish for that matter.
The Outsiders in, Weird Science out. Rumble Fish in, 16 Candles out. Footloose over Fast Times At Ridgemont High (ruthless,I know)
Now this is where it becomes awkward. Heathers and The Karate Kid have to be in there somewhere, but I can't blank Amanda Peterson or exile Nic Cage and there's no question that John Cusack has to stay.
OK, so here it is... The Karate Kid and Heathers over Valley Girl and Can't Buy Me Love. Ithankyou.
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Originally posted by JAY LEE: I know cutting both SKOW and PP may seem a bit harsh, but I really don't like SKOW, and PP just has too many cons to its pros. Spader makes the movie for me, and some of the tunes, the 80's feel, but that's it! Yeah, I replaced it with Lost Boys, which I kinda agree is not "technically" a teen flick, but still....!
And I had to make room for Tuff Turf, So SKOW had to go....
OK : 24 hours for SKOW to go back on the list, or I'm changing your User Title to "Rewind Powderpuff" of something similar. and I'm gonna edit your posts to support this title.....
Seriously - there really isn't another 80s Teen Movie quite like Some Kind Of Wonderful. all the others stray too far from reality, or into comedy, or have a main theme / genre that makes the 'teen' element totally coincidental. Examples: The Lost Boys is not a teen movie, it's a vampire movie that happens to have teenagers in it. The Karate Kid isn't a teen movie, it's a martial arts movie with a kid as the main character. If you're taking 'movies with teenagers in them' as being a teen movie, then what about Platoon? Or Biloxi Blues? Or indeed any movie where someone is a teenager, so LadyHawke gets in.
SKOW stays real, the characters act entirely as they would in real life, and the humour comes from the interaction between the characters rather than any jokes the writers attempt to squeeze in. It's central theme, it's main genre, is teenagers and how they act / react in situations. and those situations are part of everyday life. That makes it a teen movie first and last.
IMHO, any real list, which is neither populist or skewed by personal bias, needs this movie so that the central theme of 'teen' be maintained.
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Jay Lee, you the man! I have to agree with pretty much everything you said in that post! Ha. Maybe not your replacements but your arguments are tremendous. Don't mess with Fast Times!
Paul, I do agree that the movie needs to be based around teen life, not just have teenagers in it. I would argue that Karate Kid really is about that. Dealing with being the new kid in town.
My question is Back to the Future? I'm on the fence, but if it's a teen movie, goodbye Weird Science.
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Ok, let me state my case for not digging SKOW. I could rip it a new one, but i'll try to be as respectful as I can, cuz well, it's Paul's site
First of all, I really don't like the way Stoltz portrays his character. I think he's going for shy, reflective, artsy type, but to me, he just comes across as kinda creepy and stalkerish.
I have a similar problem with Masterson's character. She is suppose to be this tough, tomboyish chick, who's really a sensitive girl underneath, but I feel she goes overboard with the tough girl act, and veers into butch, flannel wearing, golf playing, home depot shopping territory.... if you know what I mean.
And then there is the romantic aspect of the movie. Now being a guy, im not sold easily on movie romances in the first place. But if the movie makes me feel it, I can go with it. I can't here. The scene where Stoltz and Masterson kiss, just makes me uncomfortable for some reason, and the Stoltz and Thompson romance doesn't work for me either. It feels forced and hackneyed to me.
So, since the movie centers around this love triangle of sorts, and that's where my problems lie. I obviously have a hard time getting into this movie. I don't like the characters, and both they, and the movie as a whole, doesn't make me feel anything but indifference.
I do like Hardy Jenns though.... he's no Spader, but still doucheriffic! It has some nice locations, and some good tunes. Sadly, that is not enough to save it, in my book. But this is, of course, only my humble opinion. Movies are art, and art is subjective.
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Ok..I was trying to be respectful last time and bite my tongue to keep Valley Girl on the list...because I know many people here love it. But, I just can't do it anymore...Valley Girl has got to go.
Valley Girl = Out Lucas = In
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I have been trying to figure out a formula to calculate the top ten in no particular order. But I think we need to lay down a few ground rules.
1) The teenagers should get top billing in the credits. 2) The main characters and main enemies should both be teens. 3) There should be a high school scene in the movie (no?) 4) Strength of other plots... Does the movie focus around one character or is it a combination of ideas? Example: While I am convinced Jennifer Grey's part never could have happened and Ferris would have still been a good movie. In better off dead you needed to know Ricky was a loser to feel for Monique. 5) Strength of soundtrack. Are there songs that you got just because of that movie? Is the 90% of it amazing? Without looking now can you name 5 songs? Does it even have 5 good songs? I will always argue this is the true downfall of the Breakfast Club. 6) Does it make people cooler if they have seen it? Or are they not cool because they haven't? Is it truly a crime if they haven't? 7) Finally is there a moral to the end or good vs evil battle of sorts? I would argue a tongue in cheek battle doesn't count. But what is worth more: realization of greatness or victory?
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8) Is it jus a movie or are you attached to it because it makes you remember things you or Someone you know did? 9) I am ashamed that NONE of you mentioned The Last American Virgin which EASILY kicks off half of these movies!
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quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: First of all, I really don't like the way Stoltz portrays his character. I think he's going for shy, reflective, artsy type, but to me, he just comes across as kinda creepy and stalkerish.
For every teenage guy who's ever had a crush but been too scared to say anything, Stolz's portrayal was spot on. You look. You find excuses to go where they are so's you can look. Not stalking, just having a crush.
quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: I have a similar problem with Masterson's character. She is suppose to be this tough, tomboyish chick, who's really a sensitive girl underneath, but I feel she goes overboard with the tough girl act, and veers into butch, flannel wearing, golf playing, home depot shopping territory.... if you know what I mean.
She lives in a trailer. What do you expect? Lace?
quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: And then there is the romantic aspect of the movie. Now being a guy, im not sold easily on movie romances in the first place. But if the movie makes me feel it, I can go with it. I can't here. The scene where Stoltz and Masterson kiss, just makes me uncomfortable for some reason, and the Stoltz and Thompson romance doesn't work for me either. It feels forced and hackneyed to me.
FWIW, the Stolz / Thompson romance didn't work for them either - they dated for a short while after the movie before she married the director. But the kiss in the garage is the single most convincing screen kiss there is....
quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: So, since the movie centers around this love triangle of sorts, and that's where my problems lie. I obviously have a hard time getting into this movie. I don't like the characters, and both they, and the movie as a whole, doesn't make me feel anything but indifference.
So we differ. And it doesn't make your list. But you haven't said that this is YOUR list - you post and invite people to argue for their entries. And so, as SKOW is a teen movie by all standards, and The Lost Boys isn't, I can't see why that makes the list and SKOW doesn't.
Also fwiw, we ran a poll a couple of years ago to work out the best 80s movie - loads of votes, and as I recall, SKOW came in fifth or something. Which surely counts....?
quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: I do like Hardy Jenns though.... he's no Spader, but still doucheriffic! It has some nice locations, and some good tunes. Sadly, that is not enough to save it, in my book. But this is, of course, only my humble opinion. Movies are art, and art is subjective.
Soundtrack is great, and Jenns is slimy and superior, as he should be.
Still believe it has much greater 'teen movie' credentials than most on your list...
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Devo.. I kind of like your thought process/analysis on the 80's teen movie subject. That is why I asked about movies such as "The Lost Boys" and "Night of the Comet" before just throwing them on the list.
Paul.. count me in as a huge "Some Kind of Wonderful" fan. I have to admit that I've always considered it a superior film to "Pretty In Pink", but your passionate postings about SKOW over the years has opened my eyes to what makes it truly special. That soundtrack is one of my favs!
At least we all agree that "Weird Science" is to never be mentioned again.
Secret Admirer.. "Weird Science" is actually an incredible movie and it might be the most that I ever laughed out loud when I watched it for the first time. A great movie that deserves consideration on any top 10 list.
Kash.. thanks for the letter.. of course, I only nopticed it after flying through your jetwash and going into a flatspin last night. btw, Goose is dead.
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So it seems that Back to the Future would fit, shouldn't that be top 10?
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I did this today at work with 3 friends and guess what they loved it!!!
But you guys are going to die....all 3 said "I Don't know SKOW?" my mouth dropped!!!
When I described it...one pulled out the famous quote from the party! and it all came flooding back for him.....another is going to watch it for the first time tonight on Netflix!
I'm still in shock.....how could they blank out Some Kind of Wonderful???
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quote:Originally posted by Devolution: Devolution here,
7) Finally is there a moral to the end or good vs evil battle of sorts? I would argue a tongue in cheek battle doesn't count. But what is worth more: realization of greatness or victory?
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what about good old fashioned teen angst?? don't we naturally associate teen movies with some kind anguish, usually experienced by the main characater(s), more or less about some typical teen issue. i would say it's definitely part of a formula in these types of movies. that would apply to 99% of Secret Admirer's list.
teen peer pressure, intense first love, opposites attract, popularity issues, bullying, wanting the girl/boy you can't have, virginity, drugs, pregnancies, crushes...etc.
the last american virgin is a good example of this as well.
i love heathers, as it deals with popularity, and teen suicide...in a more dark manner.
lucas was about a determined, poor boy, gets picked on, falls in love with the new girl in school who wants someone else.......and football.
footloose offers us the new kid on the block, small town, trying to fit in, dancing and overcoming some kind of obstacle.
so by those standards, karate kid is perfect.
if we include the lost boys, then that means twilight stands for the top teen movies of the 00's, right? lol it's the same formula, just done differently?
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[QUOTE] Warriorwoman.......Caddyshack???? hahaha is there a "teen" even in the movie??
Sorry Muffy...I forgot about the "high school" specification. In that case, I guess "Revenge of the Nerds" would not apply as they were at college, and also "Stand By Me" would not apply either, as the boys were 12.
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quote:9) I am ashamed that NONE of you mentioned The Last American Virgin which EASILY kicks off half of these movies!
I always want to list it, but the first two thirds of the movie are standard b-grade 'get laid' stuff. It's only really at the end it moves into classic territory, so for a top ten I would leave it off in favour of more consistent movies.
quote:For every teenage guy who's ever had a crush but been too scared to say anything, Stolz's portrayal was spot on. You look. You find excuses to go where they are so's you can look. Not stalking, just having a crush.
The word 'Stalk' is used far too much nowadays.
quote:FWIW, the Stolz / Thompson romance didn't work for them either - they dated for a short while after the movie before she married the director. But the kiss in the garage is the single most convincing screen kiss there is....
I'd say it was convincingly awkward, and therefore realistic.
quote:And so, as SKOW is a teen movie by all standards, and The Lost Boys isn't, I can't see why that makes the list and SKOW doesn't.
quote:So it seems that Back to the Future would fit, shouldn't that be top 10?
Relating to the above points: I will argue BttF is a teen movie to a non-teen movie crowd, but to a teen movie crowd I would argue it wasn't. So, to add to Devo's list above, I would add:
Is it a genre piece and is the genre the foundation of the movie?
Back to the Future is about time-travel, and without that component the story we follow would not exist. Same with Lost Boys; no Vampires - no movie. I think in the case of the Karate Kid, the karate is incidental to the story the film is telling. So if you replaced it with, say, 'running', the story would play out the same; outsider, bullying, competition, respect (although I think the name might not work anymore. But since that didn't stop them with the Jaden Smith movie... who knows)
quote:Paul.. count me in as a huge "Some Kind of Wonderful" fan. I have to admit that I've always considered it a superior film to "Pretty In Pink", but your passionate postings about SKOW over the years has opened my eyes to what makes it truly special. That soundtrack is one of my favs!
Have to step in and defend Pretty in Pink. I could write a long long post about why I like it more, or even why I find certain aspects superior, but I can't be bothered. Consider it defended.
quote:At least we all agree that "Weird Science" is to never be mentioned again.
Weird what?
quote:But you guys are going to die....all 3 said "I Don't know SKOW?" my mouth dropped!!! I'm still in shock.....how could they blank out Some Kind of Wonderful???
We live in 80's land Muffelina. When you stray too far from the neon-brick road, you find that only the really big movies are well known. SKoW is as good as any other Hughes movie, but it wasn't as a big a hit as some others, nor did it have the hit song to bolster its name and appeal, hence; not as well known. I know... the world is broken. That's why we stay here where it's safe and warm.
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I love Lucas but better then Valley Girl??? for a top ten teen movie??? no way! Lucas was too much of a drama.
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