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Nick
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Originally posted by Stitch Groover:
I messaged Nick a few weeks back with the full story and never heard back.

I'm sorry about that Stitch [Frown]

What happens seems to be this:

* The board is 'factional'. It's a sad fact. It's gone that way. It's not easy to see how that will ever come back the right way

* It puts ppl off and so stifles new ppl feeling like joining

* I dont have time to read the boards as often as I'd like. I have to do all the web development, daily updates etc --as well as my real job -which is, of course, gonna be harder in a climate like this.

* Arguments typically happen in USA time (when I'm asleep-ish in the UK)

* Stuff gets heated then the threads get deleted

* I get a bunch of mails/pms from the different "factions" -each claiming the other was just "plain out of order"

* I can't see the wood from the trees, so leave it to the mods.

The simple fact is that I originally started this site back in the 90s when the 80s was the embarrasing decade that was the un-coolest thing ever. I genuinely wanted to give the 80s the props I thought it deserved. I hated the way the media constantly referred to the 80s as "the decade that style forgot" and "cheesy rubbish" etc etc.

The boards were added simply so that that like-minded people could get together and discuss things...

...But things never work out as simply as that. [Frown]

-Why do other sites have boards that seem to be full of positivity and run well? Probably because the mods come down like a ton of bricks on ppl who are in any way disruptive of the core purpose of that board. Something starts and the ppl are gone. Everything appears to the casual reader as peaches and cream. Who knows...

Other successful boards certainly seem to have rule pages of 'biblical' length!

Thats never been our style here, but that does mean that this place has ended up as cliquey as high school... which is a shame. It reflects badly on the whole site when there's just so much naked hate on display.

I'm not sure what the best approach is.

Maybe the social side of the site is a mistake?

Maybe ppl should pay for membership, which would encourage them not to misuse it? Who knows...

Answers on a postcard please...

-Nick

Stitch Groover
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Thanks for the quick response Nick.

In my life, I don't like conflict, I try to avoid it and when it happens around me I try to stay as impartial as I can.

Like I've said in the past, Isis is no angel, and when I've disagreed with her, I've called her out on it, like I do with anyone else here. But some of the attacks against her were so malicious and the people doing the attacking were clearly delighting in stirring up s*** storms.... it's like in high school where the bully gets away scott free while the victim is punished for standing up for themselves.

I think on the whole these forums run really well. We all have common interests, and when you look at the number of people here and the broad range of topics we discuss, it's really cool that we have found our little oasis here.

My wish is for things to be more even handed. If there is a conflict between 2 members, don't just punish one. This doesn't mean you have to be heavy handed either, as most arguments here aren't really that big. But when someone consistently taunts another Rewinder across multiple threads, that's a major issue.

P_a_u_l
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Just catching up on this thread, which has grown a bit overnight - and wanted to respond as the guy at the sharp end most of the time who has to resolve the spats you all have on here....

Firstly, for those who complain about moderating being 'uneven' - simply not true. This is just another example of one 'faction' believing they are hard done by when they step out of line and are punished. When something needs moderating, it gets moderated. No matter what, no matter who. And to answer the point about Nick not being aware - Nick has repeatedly said to me that the moderation of this board is as he wants it. He sees as much as he can, and trusts Devo and I to handle the rest. So please don't imagine he's not firmly in the loop on this stuff.

Secondly, There are an awful lot of conversations going on outside of the board, which all add to the data we have when we make decisions to kick someone or not. And whilst that means that you are (quite rightly) not seeing the whole picture, trust me when I say that bannings are ALWAYS done as a last resort. In the specific case of Isis, there were far too many off-board conversations, PMs and emails flying around for us to ignore. Warnings were given, and she still felt that she would rather say her piece and get kicked out, than agree that the Admins and Moderators of the board are the ones who make and enfore the rules, not her. So she spouted her final few posts and walked. And we are not in a position to accept that kind of behavior at the moment, so she stays banned. For what it's worth, this isn't the only message board that have had these issues with her, and we have been WAY more tolerant than others.

Thirdly, as has been said before - if there's a post on here that you find objectionable, or that you feel we should look at, then REPORT IT. Don't respond in kind, because then the fights start and nobody wins.

As for other members, then I can only reiterate than when someone steps out of line, they get moderated. If they really step out of line, they get banned. Some of this is going on right now - but you simply need to behave yourselves, and let us deal with the troublemakers.

Noe please - let's put this behind us and get on with posting?

Paul

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i have not been here that long so i am not gonna say too much about this but i do like everyone here and i also miss isis i think it is pretty sad that people can't voice their opinions without getting a bad response from people i thought forums were for this purpose and to get to know people's like's and dislikes' ? i have been on another forum since 2005 and we never had any problems there at all everybody respects everyone's opinions there!! in fact i emailed isis to join me there hopefully she will ! i like this board even though i can only be here once a day sometimes i say keep it real that's it have a great friday everyone dee

pettyfan
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I have to say this board is more tolerant than another one I belong to. At least you can voice your opinions over here. At the other one if you even disagree in the least with someone or say something someone else disagrees with you're tarred and feathered. Kinda makes you wanna stay away. Sure, people disagree here; it's a fact of life. It doesn't make me want to leave or whatever, but I guess I can see how it would make some people want to. Anyway, just my two cents worth--I like the social board and hope it stays.

Dexter Motley Morgan
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Isn't this one of those type of topics that seems to cause trouble in the first place? Or was that the intention of even starting it? I think the mods do a great job personally.......

80'sRocked

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I think it is great to get all this out in the open and get everyone's take on the subject....in a mature, respectful manner.

pettyfan
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I think the mods do a great job, too.

JAY LEE
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Originally posted by 80'sRocked:
I think it is great to get all this out in the open and get everyone's take on the subject....in a mature, respectful manner.

Ditto!

Nick
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Originally posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes....:
Nick has repeatedly said to me that the moderation of this board is as he wants it. He sees as much as he can, and trusts Devo and I to handle the rest. So please don't imagine he's not firmly in the loop on this stuff.

Yes, this is a point that I should clarify.

Paul & Devo have an incredibly hard job with doing this stuff, because they have to constantly be aware of whats going on and it requires real patience, diplomacy -and all this for no money, little credit and lots of whispered criticism from certain quarters.

They certainly do a better job and have more patience than I would, so they have my full support. Anything less just wouldnt be fair.

For what it's worth, this isn't the only message board that have had these issues with her, and we have been WAY more tolerant than others.

This is also important. Paul, Devo & Myself all believe in moderate behavour (no pun intended [Wink]

) Personally, as we all do this for free, I believe that no-one should treat any of us like we are running a corporation that has failed to meet their expectations.

There aint no paying customers here. You're all considered as friends --and all we expect from our friends is the same behavour that would be appropriate in 'real life'.

My post above relates to my sadness that our 'friends' dont always see it that way and so maybe we need a new outlook. I hope not [Frown]

jdocster McFly you Irish bug

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Nick,

Perhaps you could take a vote? Ask who of us would pay for a full membership, and, who would be put off by it. If you pay, you get access to the "Social" forum etc. Also, if you pay for a membership you agree to take a bit more crap from people so the mods don't have to slap our hands every time someone gets unpleasant. You know, take your diapers off and put on some adult clothes.

What about community based policing? How about the rule of 5?

Maybe, if say, I tick 80sRocked off, and in turn that offends 4 other people, then 5 of you could request that I be kicked out for two weeks.

Just a thought...

- jdocster

80'sRocked

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Maybe, if say, I tick 80'sRocked off, and in turn that offends 4 other people

Only 4 others will be offended? C'mon, I have more friends than that here.... [Razz]

In all seriousness, those are some interesting ideas. With some discussion, I could see something like that working.

Stitch Groover
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Funny how the only people happy with the mods decisions are the ones who wanted to get rid of Isis in the first place.

Nomster V2.0
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Stitch, I think you should just accept what has happened without trying to stir up more controversy.

I have been on these boards for 5 years now and admit that I have gotten involved in fights that I probably wouldn't have wanted to.

However, I certainly do NOT feel that my presence here has ruined these boards which is one of the things Isis stated in her last post. The majority of conflicts I have had with her have been over her constant posts stating that nothing is good about modern life and the times when she has tried to offer mental health opinions that, as a professional in the field, I have taken umbrage with her.

When she returned from her previous ban I have done my best to avoid her posts because I know she is the type of person who deliberatley posts controversy to stir up trouble. She's the highest poster on these boards and, knowing full well the type of people that respond to her she has posted things that she KNOWS people will not agree with and then gets worked up when people don't takje her side.

I don't know what else has been going on off the boards and frankly don't care. What I would like to reiterate is that she posted her final post KNOWING that it would get her banned.

You can cry that she has gone or you can smile that you knew her. I'm sure that you must be in contact with her in other ways so why don't you just let it go on here.

Yes, the boards may not be as busy as they were before but at least the topics should be more interesting and less controversial.

And believe me, if the mods chose to ban Motley, Sam or any of the others that I seem to have developed friendships with, then I would be happy that they were banned for the right reasons and would accept that. Sure, I would miss them but if you constantly break the rules, eventually you have to pay.

Fully supporting the mods Noms [Cool]

Pittsburghgirl
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This whole thread was started to stir up trouble. Puh-leeze, get on with it!

Riptide
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Don't you have enough blood on your hands?

Stitch Groover
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I accept the fact that she's been banned, and I understand why. I just don't like that other people (not you Noms), get away scott free with all the taunting and quasi bullying they've been doing on these boards.

Noms, I think you've always known me to be fairly reasonable and even handed but this situation has really bothered me. The worst part of it being that a couple of members here were using MySpace to congratulate each other on stirring her up. No one deserves that kind of ridicule. I know I'd be fed up with it too if it was happening to me.

The main offender in all of this also has a problem with me, mainly because I'm a friend of Isis. She has called me - pompous, a blasphemer, a sicko, sacreligious, disease-ridden and that my friends are my "butt buddies".

Now, that's all pretty offensive stuff. So if I'm taking all of this a little personally, please try and understand why.

Nick
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Stitch, I'm saddened to read that [Frown]

I for one can say that in my (admittedly sparse - see above) experience, you have always been reasonable and agree that no-one should have to put up with either of the things you mention.

As Paul has said above if anyone gets treated like that in future, either on these boards, PM's or, in certain cases, via external sites (but relating to situations on this site) the the first step is to not deal with it yourself, but to copy/paste what is said and send it to the mods with your report on what has happened.

And the people concerned will be gone. Period.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is reasonable and even handed is very welcome here regardless of other personal factors like orientation/age/race/political views etc.

"What does he know about web bullying" (meaning me) you might be asking yourself... Well, the answer is quite a lot.

There are plenty of miscreants, some of which will be familiar to to members of these boards, who have stopped at nothing to smear/ridicule and stir up hate for me personally on other message boards, including ones where cyber-terrorists hang out. It is not nice and I do understand why anyone would take it personally, because it is personal. [Frown]

Once again, I'm sorry that it has happened to you Stitch [Frown]

Please folks. I understand that everyone isn't going to get on all the time, but can we just let things lie now and get on with the subjects at hand? Thanx [Smile]

Helen_S
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It's my 2 year anniversary here, woohoo [Razz]

When I first joined, now THAT was quiet. There was literally 2 - 3 posts each day and one of them was me haha. After a few months it started buzzing and it's been great since [Cool]

xchazx
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i have also been busy and not on much, so i'm completely lost on what's going on.

out of all the messageboards i go on, this is by far and away the one with the nicest group of people. you guys are all either crazy or super sensative if you think what goes on here is bad. you would never survive on some of the other boards i post on.

i agree with 80s rocked, unless someone is posting porn or some similar offense, no one should be banned. people need to grow up. there are a few people who post here who annoy me more than iris, but i wouldn't want any of them banned.

Sir Sammy Hain Esq.
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Bottom line is Isis gave the mods no choice but to ban her. She basically gave the mods an ultimatum by saying as long as a certain poster continues to post here that would be her last post and that she didn't care if that post would get her banned.

I guess I can't even say that she was necessarily banned for 100% certainty. All I know is what I read in that final post of hers and the fact that she's no longer listed in the directory under top posters.