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A nice trend taking shape. If that's the case, god bless America. I just would love to see better gun control in the future.
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Dang those are some suprising numbers. Why better gun control? That's not gonna solve the problem. Criminals will still have access to guns regardless. Taking the freedoms of law abiding citizens who have a right to bear arms to defend themselves because of incompetent thugs isn't the solution......
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We've had very strict gun control laws here since 1996. All automatic and semi automatic weapons have been banned, and only farmers or members of gun clubs are allowed to own guns, with a permit, and have to keep them locked in a gun safe.
The number of murders and accidental deaths by guns has been dramatically reduced.
Why do law abiding citizens have a right to bear arms? It was understandable 200 years ago when people hunted for themselves and had to defend themselves against the British (sorry Noms), but it's a fairly antiquated law these days.
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Wasn't stated like that. Why shouldn't an individual not have a right to bear arms? Lots of people still hunt, some are collectors, and some have guns for the purpose of defending themselves or all of the above. If someone's holding me up and it's me or them having a gun could be the deciding factor in whether or not I make it out alive. These same anti-gun people may be in the same situation someday. What will they have to complain about then? What's next telling everyone they have to buy a certain type of vehicle to drive? Marry a certain person? Government has way way too much control already. Rosie O'Donnell is a prime example. She wanted strict gun control laws passed while at the same time allowing her body guards to at all times be armed. Look at Danny Glover (an anti-gun advocate) whose role in the Lethal Weapon franchise (movies where virtually a gun is in every scene). I have no problem at all with individuals being anti-gun but Danny had no problem accepting the huge paychecks from these movies yet he has a problem with American citizens having the right to arm themselves. If he's that hell bent on the topic, then he should have donated royalties from the Lethal Weapon movies to charity. Both are very hypocritical.....
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Instead of better gun control we need better gun education.
Just a small sidenote that the entire state of North Dakota only had 2 murders total for the calendar year of 2008.
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Mock me if you wish, but guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people, whether they use guns, knives, etc. I think we've had this discussion before--I want to be able to defend myself or my family if God forbid something were to happen. Sam's right--we need better gun education. And, yep, believe it or not, people still hunt.
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Yes, people still hunt, especially here in the state of Pennsylvania. If they didn't allow hunting, we'd be over run with the deer population, they would come in and ruin crops,and our local food prices would go up even more. Yeah, it makes real sense to outlaw guns here, heh,heh. And I can't tell you how many people I know have hit deer with their cars, including my husband (twice) and my brother-in-law.
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Maybe they should outlaw cars since they kill deer too......
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It was posted in the paper a couple days ago that all but about 2 major cities had homicide drops over the last year, so we must be doing something right. Taking into account how ugly the crack wars were raging 20 years back, it's good to see how we ended up getting the upper hand there and ended up crushing the cartels.
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As for "gun education", are you referring to the shooting ranges?
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Danny Glover played a police officer in the movie, he didn't play a civilian vigilante.
Our state does not have a deer population problem, so if your going to start a debate on hunting, then get your facts straight.
In the early 1920s, Pennsylvania's deer population was so low, from hunting them all- that they purchased deer from Michigan so that people would have something to kill.
The hunting industry is a billion dollar industry. It is ALL about money. We do NOT live in a day and age where hunting for your food is a neccessity in life- or you'd die. For what 1 person spends on ammo, a gun, a license, taking time off work, the proper hunting gear and all the "gadgets" they buy- they could have fed a small country.
People get shot in their back yards every year, because of "hunters"- hunting too close to residential areas- and that's because we have over developed the land-causing the deer to have no where to go. We have already killed off all the natural predators like mountain lions and wolves. They have just as much right to be here as we do, infact more so...because unless your an American Indian- you were brought here from somewhere else.
Every year during hunting season-that is the time of year there are more accidents involving deer than any other time, because they are running for lives and run out on to the roads. Animals feel pain, they might not be able to talk, but they know fear. Just think if someone shot you with a bow and arrow, and let you wander off to die a slow painful death...is that humane? Is that what makes someone a great hunter, and a great man?
The game commission STOCKS wildlife. They raise things like grouse and pheasants and let them go in areas that they know people hunt in. It is all very carefully manipulated. They stock srteams for fishing, they do the same thing with every form of wildlife. When was the last time anyone ever saw a bear in the wild? Yet, every year people kill them.
If someone wants to kill you bad enough, you having a gun- isn't going to save your life- you'd probably shoot yourself or some innocent person before ever needing one as self defense. How many people have been in a situation, where they needed a gun and had to use it, or they be dead right now?
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Oh geez.....they take 1 isolated incident, and make it in to there being deer running in to Target stores to go shopping...as if it happens every 5 minutes.
I saw that happen once- and you know when it was?? During hunting season, when a deer was scared out of it's mind, it jumped through a window at the bank.
A deer has no idea that it's eating someone's business...it just is hungry.
I have been to downtown Philly before...and I just couldn't believe how many wild deer were roaming the streets looking for a peach tree.
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I didn't even go on the Audubon society website-it's all hunters on there...they all boo hoo about them not having anything to kill...on one hand...then they complain there's too many on another...which is it.
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Even though I agree that gun control laws are very important, you all have some very valid points. I guess it's a difference in culture - we've never had to fight for our nation, we were created in peace, so that's a huge cultural difference between Australia and the US.
I guess people will always kill people. Once our gun laws passed, the number of knife deaths increased, leading to a ban in the carrying of knives in public - which I also agree with. You now have to be 18 or over to buy anything other than cutlery now.
And of course farmers, hunters and gun club members should be able to retain their weapons, they are legitimate users of guns.
I have one question - are automatic weapons available to anyone in the US? Or are they more restricted than other types of guns?
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Automatic guns are illegal here. Thankfully-but it doesn't mean that they aren't everywhere.
So many Americans don't pay attention to our laws, we have been given so much freedom, that we think there are no rules anymore. You can see it in the schools. Teachers have no way of discipiling kids.
I wish we were a nation created out of peace. All we know here is how to stir up trouble.
I don't buy the saying that people kill people, not guns...if that person didn't have access to a gun, and they had to stab a person to death to kill them- I doubt we'd have as many murders.
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it's people that intentionally harm and target others...be it with a gun or knife, or whatever have you.. regardless... same goes for drugs. (in the words of johnny rotten) .."drugs don't kill you, your own foolishness does."
it's a matter of choice.
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Getting back on topic about the crime rates instead of hunting. If you look closer at the numbers you'd see the last time the crime rate in the USA was as low as it was in 2007 you'd have to go back to 1969.
So long story short is that the USA is as safe now as it was almost 40 years ago.
That's a nice trend that I hope continues.
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I do agree on that. I think crime is coming down, because every where now has a video camera, so people get caught. The one good plus for technology is that...alot of people have home security systems....and the other thing is...is the majority of the population, will rip your face off and probably kill you-if you look at them the wrong way- so everyone is scared of each other.
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quote:Originally posted by Ronnie: it's people that intentionally harm and target others...be it with a gun or knife, or whatever have you.. regardless... same goes for drugs. (in the words of johnny rotten) .."drugs don't kill you, your own foolishness does."
it's a matter of choice.
You said that so well!! I totally agree!!
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Yeah...well if someone that was crazy and foolish-had a knife instead of an automatic weapon-at Columbine or VA Tech-I don't think they would have been able to kill all those people with a knife. They may have been crazy as can be....but without the gun involved-most of those people would be alive.
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So your suggesting that knives should be outlawed as well? People make the choice to use a gun be it one they own, steal, buy off the street, etc. They ultimately make the decision to pull the trigger. It's ridiculous in itself to blame a gun and not the person. Who are you to say that most of them would still be alive? A friend of mine's brother who was in grad school at VA Tech at the time of the massacre would surely love to hear your views......
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