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LISA LISA
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Does anyone else like this song?? It was playing on the radio today, I always loved it:

Michael mcdonald/kenny loggins

He came from somewhere back in her long ago
The sentimental fool don’t see
Tryin’ hard to recreate
What had yet to be created once in her life

She musters a smile
For his nostalgic tale
Never coming near what he wanted to say
Only to realize
It never really was

She had a place in his life
He never made her think twice
As he rises to her apology
Anybody else would surely know
He’s watching her go

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
And nothing at all keeps sending him...

Somewhere back in her long ago
Where he can still believe there’s a place in her life
Someday, somewhere, she will return

She had a place in his life
He never made her think twice
As he rises to her apology
Anybody else would surely know
He’s watching her go

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
There’s nothing at all
But what a fool believes he sees...

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Sir Sammy Hain Esq.
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This song was pretty whimpy for the Doobie Brothers standards. They used to rock pretty good until it became more a vehicle for Michael McDonald then a group effort. Give me "China Grove", "Black Water", "Long Train Running" and "Jesus is Just Alright" over this song any day.

LISA LISA
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I love the song Long Train Running, it is one of my favorites, it is in my jukebox. I love it.

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rocksteadyflamethrower

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Taken as a Doobie Brothers record (which I believe was released in 1979, by the way), it doesn't jibe with their other work.

As a mid-tempo ballad, it's choice, though.

I've been a Michael McDonald mark for a while...I love "Sweet Freedom", "I Keep Forgettin'" and his duet with James Ingram, which we all remember as "Yah Mo Be There".

He's one of the best blue-eyed soul singers of the eighties.

O/T:

Of course, blue-eyed soul is defined as white artists who have the voice and the rhythm of black musicians.

Some other primarily 80s artists who could be considered blue-eyed soul:

-Peter Wolf of the J. Geils Band
-Alison Moyet of Yaz
-Rick Astley
-Taylor Dayne
-Samantha Fox

There was also Cindy Valentine, the woman who performed "In Your Midnight Hour", but she looked more mulatto, I think.

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John Kilduff

Riptide
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I think I saw a Michael Mcdonald parody on Family Guy, hilarious, even though I've always kind of liked his very distinctive voice.

StevenHW
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Originally posted by Sam Dahmer Hain:
This song was pretty whimpy for the Doobie Brothers standards. They used to rock pretty good until it became more a vehicle for Michael McDonald then a group effort. Give me "China Grove", "Black Water", "Long Train Running" and "Jesus is Just Alright" over this song any day.

Methinks that Sam prefers the Doobie Brothers when Tom Johnston was with the group; and his "chuka-chuka" guitar sound.

The "What A Fool Believes" song appeared on the group's "Minute By Minute" album, where the Michael McDonald's influence on the band's sound is entirely felt.

Their next big hit single, "Real Love", sounded like a rewrite of "What A Fool Believes".

BTW, just heard the Doobie's cover of "Take Me In Your Arms" on the radio this morning. Great, great song!

mamamiasweetpeaches
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yeah I like their rocky-er stuff to like "Long Train Running" and "China Grove".

Everytime I hear "Taking It To The Streets" I think of my favorite WHATS HAPPENING??? episode where the guys try to bootleg the concert. Hahaha.

And that FAMILY GUY bit with Michael MvDonald was very funny ("Faaaaaaaaaaaaaart")

pettyfan
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Ya'll ever try to play China Grove on Guitar Hero on Tour? Hard, hard, hard. For me, anyway.

xchazx
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i like the song even though it was a departure from their earlier sound. this band had a lot of good songs.

you could say michael mcdonald and dennis deyoung had too much influence, especially later on, in their respective bands.

and they were on What's Happening, which gives them instant cred.

Sir Sammy Hain Esq.
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you can add Peter Cetera to the list of people who took over their bands and changed their sound.

mamamiasweetpeaches
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yeah, those guys were gettin mushy and the rest of the band was like "No way, Dude, we wanna ROCK!" Hahaha.

But yeah - DOOBIE BROTHERS (and STYX too, by the way - gotta give THEM a thread too!) are definately band(s) I am getting into NOW as a grown up. I liked their stuff when I was a kid but now that Im older (and new music is crap!) I find myself listening to that stuff and really appreciating it. Like fine wine the DOOBIES and STYX's music is just gettin' better and better with age.

"Which Doobie You Be?" - Raj, WHAT'S HAPPENING???

xchazx
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Originally posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain:
you can add Peter Cetera to the list of people who took over their bands and changed their sound.

excellent call there.

i'm in the same boat as mamamia... today's music is so f*****g terrible. i find myself listening to a lot of the stuff i listend to as a kid from the 70's/80's and not just the hits.

mamamiasweetpeaches
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I've even gone so far as to download some stuff from the '60s! THATS how much I hate "new music"!

80'sRocked

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quote:
Originally posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain:
you can add Peter Cetera to the list of people who took over their bands and changed their sound.

I love the Cetera Chicago big time along with all his solo stuff. His voice is one of a kind.

StevenHW
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Getting back to the topic, I actually like the "What A Fool Believes" song, even though it's more of a Michael McDonald song (with Kenny Loggins chipping in) than the old-style Doobie Brothers.

IIRC, it was named as "Best Song" at the Grammy Awards.

In the late-80's, the Doobie Brothers reunited after they split up around 1983. But Tom Johnston came back and Michael McDonald was not there. Their reunion tour consisted of their older songs, and a newer album that they released. The concert song list did not have any of the songs that Michael had sung lead vocals on.

In other words, it was as if Michael McDonald had never joined the band at all.

Sir Sammy Hain Esq.
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What I could never understand is how groups like Styx, The Doobie Brothers and Chicago could let one guy take over the bands as much as they did. If I was the other members of those bands I'd say "I heard the lounge at the Holiday Inn is looking for a new singer why don't you go there and play your watered down music and let us big boys rock"

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