Anyone been watching? My family is watching right now, I hear alot of laughing going on...
I think the whole thing is one giant scary mess.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
Nope, I have better things to watch.
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
I watched. Palin didn't self implode like many were expecting but I still feel that Biden won the debate handily. Seems like Palin had too much of her responses as being rehearsed and she didn't really answer a single question straightforward. But I'm sure her party is at least pleased she didn't have the deer-in-the-headlights look. But seriously she proved how far behind her knowledge on the issues are compared to Biden.
Obama/Biden '08
Posted by NowhereGirl (Member # 465) on :
petty i know what you were doing.. playing with kitties instead of watching the television.. how dare you!!! lol j/k p.s. i want a kitty!
sam, i watched the last 30 mins of it and i have to agree with you. palin wasn't as timid as she's been in her couric interviews. i must admit i thought the portion of the debate i saw went really well.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
They said Palin had been in a "debate boot camp" for several days prior to the debate so you can bet her answers were rehearsed. And I'm gonna pull my hair out if I hear another hockey mom reference. If she wins, she's going to be in the second highest ranking position of power in the country. I honestly don't see how anyone could take her seriously given her lack of experience on many issues and all the "you betcha" references she makes. I personally don't feel comfortable voting for someone in this high a position who had to go to debate boot camp days prior. Shouldn't a serious candidate already have that under their belt?
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
To those who saw the debate last night and lean towards the left should find this hilarious.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
quote:Originally posted by NowhereGirl: petty i know what you were doing.. playing with kitties instead of watching the television.. how dare you!!! lol j/k p.s. i want a kitty!
sam, i watched the last 30 mins of it and i have to agree with you. palin wasn't as timid as she's been in her couric interviews. i must admit i thought the portion of the debate i saw went really well.
That's right! Kitties are so much more fun than politics!
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
Palin was a trained circus monkey....! And if I hear the word "hockey mom" one more time im going on a killing rampage... aaaaaaarhhh!!!!! how anyone can vote republican is beyond me!
Posted by bandit (Member # 6296) on :
I sure pay attention to what`s happening in the U.S at the moment.After all,this would have an impact over here as well.I have my favorite.But since this is not my country,i`ll keep that to myself Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
They are still going at it. I don't like either one...every thing they do is just pointing the finger and bad mouthing the other one...instead of tattle telling on each other, just do something and fix it....why can't the presidency be split in to 2 sides...one side works on the stuff that they have the best ideas for, and the other side works on their best strengths...and just fix it. Why should we pick on ecah other ...why can't we work together and fix everything.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Two sides would never work because of egos and one not wanting to succumb to the other's ideas. Man I wish a younger Ross Perot would have came along......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Yeah...well me and you agree on something. I said tonight...I don't even know who is running in the Independant party-but that is what I am registered as...and I'll vote for him...instead of either of these 2. I don't think there has ever been an Independant person win an election...has there?
I voted for Ross Perot...he was the only person that I ever thought made any sense, and I figured he was a billionaire ...he must know a few things, and maybe he could lend the government some money. I liked that he didn't take any campaign money from anyone, he paid for his own time on TV too, so he could say what he wanted. I was pregnant with my son back during that election...and had no clue who Bill Clinton was...but I never thought Bill Clinton was a bad president...he balanced the budget...ever since then we went down hill.
Has anyone seen a increase in crime in their area?
My brother told me 2 banks and 2 convenient stores were robbed in my hometown, and there have been several armed robberies around me...it is scary.
Egomania is going to kill us all...that's what is crazy. If everyone would just quit flappipng their mouths about who's to blame, and get to work on fixing it...that's our only hope.
I absolutely think McCain is right about fixing the whole Housing and Lending mess with Fanny May and Fanny Mac- that is a giant mess.
I think Obama is an arrogant egomaniac. John McCain looks so feeble ...like he's going to fall over at any second...neither one of them have a clue about what's going on, they rambled on and on...Tom Brokaw was going to clobber them both...for not cutting down their responses...I left and came back later...and they were still blaming each other for all the problems going on in the world.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
We have had a small increase in crimes here but it can probably be linked to the economy or should I say the lack of an economy.........
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Whoever wins needs to seek out Warren Buffett for some serious advice. I'd trust him anyday over anybody.......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Well.....when Obama said Warren Buffet would be a good person for the Treasurer job...and then turned around and said...but there are lots of other people out there too that can do that job ...I thought that wasn't too cool.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
Guys - thank your lucky stars and system that you get the chance to vote at all - there's plenty around the world that don't, and millions in the UK right now that would relish the thought of being able to exercise some democratic rights in a week or so.....
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
This will be the first presidential election in quite sometime where my vote will actually be going for a candidate instead of it going against a candidate
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
The more I hear about any of these people, the more I can't stand them. I just saw tonight...pictures of Sarah Palin, with a dead Caribou, that she shot. That was just what I wanted to see. A beautiful animal, laying in a puddle of blood... they say she's an avid hunter...what a great soccer mom.
Posted by Stitch Groover (Member # 2895) on :
When we have election debates here, we have what's called "The Worm" - a little graphic that scrawls across the screen showing how the live audience approves or disapproves of the speaker and their policies.
Most people watching the debate on TV tend to watch the worm more than the debate itself, and to be honest there is never a whole lot said during debates anyway.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
While I don't plan to vote for McCain/Palin, what's wrong with a soccer mom whose also a hunter? Is there some cookie cutout soccer moms are supposed to be or do you expect her to stay at home baking brownies all day and taking the kids to and fro practice? I remember a friend of mine's mom who would take us to and fro soccer practice. Her hubby and her would go on these huge hunting trips to Canada several times a year and even went on an African safari once. Did that make her less of a person? That's sort of judgmental. Just my 2 cents.....
Posted by Everything is NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
Isn't she a HOCKEY mom and not a SOCCER mom???
Just my 2 PENCE worth...
Soccer Noms Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
yup
Posted by StevenHW (Member # 509) on :
Yes, she is a self-proclaimed "hockey mom".
Perhaps Alaska is too cold for young kids to play soccer?
Posted by Kash (Member # 297) on :
As the old saying goes: whoever wins, they still get in.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
Ya know, here in the South, people hunt a lot. And think of the old days, when you had to hunt and grow your food and you didn't eat. The least of my concerns are that Sarah Palin hunts. Or that she's a hockey/soccer/football/basketball/whatever mom.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I don't care if she's a soccer mom or hockey mom...or whatever sport...that is incidental.
The fact that she killed a beautiful animal for sport....is a huge problem to me. I have every right on the planet to oppose hunting...just as anyone else can defend it. So, nobody ever better tell me that one issue is any less important than ones they feel are important.
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
I don't like hunting for "sport" either. Just my opinion.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
I guess I should explain myself. I'm merely talking about people hunting what they are going to eat. I never said anything about hunting for sport...and I have the right to defend my opinions as much as the next person. This is why I stay out of politics. That's all I'm saying on the matter except I'll be glad when this damn election is over.
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
I don't mind hunting if you are going to eat it.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
quote:Originally posted by 80'sRocked: I don't mind hunting if you are going to eat it.
Yep, me neither. I don't hunt, personally. I'm not really an outdoors type of girl, LOL.
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
Tonight appears to be do or die time for McCain. He needs to really do something big in tonight's final debate to start swinging the election more his way.
Here's hoping he fails miserably.
Obama/Biden '08
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I shudder to think that you base who you vote for on whether they hunt or not. Like you said everyone has a right to oppose it but that's a small thing to base it on compared to oh say the economy, the war, gas prices, etc. No wonder some people get elected.......
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
McCain definitely didn't get the knockout punch he was looking for. I feel the Obama ticket won all four debates however I felt tonight's was probably the closest on of the bunch
Posted by NowhereGirl (Member # 465) on :
i read that the number of voters in canada were at an all-time low?? interesting.
i agree sam, i still think mccain tip toe'd into answers and regardless of how many punches obama took, (mccain was dishing them out as best as he could) he didn't flinch one bit.
Posted by jdocster (Member # 5752) on :
I think McCain won the first half of the debate then he lost the second half. He has some very bad advisers. Looks like Obama will win it. Hold on to your wallets! Posted by journey (Member # 7316) on :
quote:Originally posted by ISIS: Yeah...well me and you agree on something. I said tonight...I don't even know who is running in the Independant party-but that is what I am registered as...and I'll vote for him...instead of either of these 2. I don't think there has ever been an Independant person win an election...has there?
I voted for Ross Perot...he was the only person that I ever thought made any sense, and I figured he was a billionaire ...he must know a few things, and maybe he could lend the government some money. I liked that he didn't take any campaign money from anyone, he paid for his own time on TV too, so he could say what he wanted. I was pregnant with my son back during that election...and had no clue who Bill Clinton was...but I never thought Bill Clinton was a bad president...he balanced the budget...ever since then we went down hill.
Has anyone seen a increase in crime in their area?
My brother told me 2 banks and 2 convenient stores were robbed in my hometown, and there have been several armed robberies around me...it is scary.
Egomania is going to kill us all...that's what is crazy. If everyone would just quit flappipng their mouths about who's to blame, and get to work on fixing it...that's our only hope.
I absolutely think McCain is right about fixing the whole Housing and Lending mess with Fanny May and Fanny Mac- that is a giant mess.
I think Obama is an arrogant egomaniac. John McCain looks so feeble ...like he's going to fall over at any second...neither one of them have a clue about what's going on, they rambled on and on...Tom Brokaw was going to clobber them both...for not cutting down their responses...I left and came back later...and they were still blaming each other for all the problems going on in the world.
I've said as much before, but I think both tickets are incredibly lame. It's the worst I've ever seen. I'm planning on throwing my vote away on the Libertarian candidate, Bob Barr since I really don't know who else to vote for. I haven't been this politically apathetic since I was a kid.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Journey-I said the exact same thing last night. I can't stand either one of them. The fact that Sarah Palin hunts...is actually a small reason as to why I don't want her in there...McCain has so many health issues...he's 72 years old already...if he made it 2 terms he'd be 80 years old. That's crazy that someone that old would be running our country...he has had skin cancer 4 times. He can't lift his shoulders over his head. He actually looks feeble. So, if he dies...she will be our President, and she does not have the experience to run a government the magnatitude of ours. Neither does Obama. I was just sick of hearing them point the finger at each other...and McCain say..you didn't defend me when I was called a racist, and I defended you when people said bad things about you.
The whole night was nothing about the "issues", but each one of them calling the other one a liar.
And you can tell Obama was lying about some of the things that he got caught on, he dodged direct questions, and never gave an answer for them.
I don't like anything either one of them has to say.
The whole Roe Vs. Wade thing, has me so mad...it's like...if you don't want an abortion- then don't get one...you don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own body. Do we live in a dictatorship? Because our Country is not really a "free" country. All the money we pay in taxes, so that other people can sit on their rear end...is just insane-our whole entire system of doing things...needs completely blown up-it does not work...and everything needs restructured ...if people can get on welfare-that are healthy- then stick them out in the parks and on the streets and have them clean up their community-make them earn that money some how, because alot of people on welfare- are capable of doing something.
The way Sarah Palin is with guns...is a nightmare waiting to happen. You'll see them arming teachers soon- cause that will come down to it at some time. We have a crazy obsession with weapons and guns in this country. It is ridiculous.
When people talk about hunting because they feed their family...well after they get done buying a gun ( how much are they- $500 and more??), they buy hunting gear, they buy a hunting license, they take time off work....how much macaroni and cheese do you think they could have bought?
Because at one time...I was broke too...and I worked 2-3 jobs and so did my husband, and we never got any help from anybody...and we lived in a tiny apartment and ate macaroni and cheese every night- but we didn't care- cause we were happy...and we knew some day it would all pay off....so I nobody can make me feel like someone is going to starve and die if they don't kill a deer and eat it. By the time your done processing a deer...how much meat do you actually get? Not much- maybe 50 lbs- or so... Your not going to survive long on that...we do not live in a time period that hunting is even safe for people to be out there in the woods...we have over developed the land...people get shot every year in their back yard. I know at least 4 people who have had someone in their family "accidently" shot during hunting season. And they all died. So, nobody will ever tell me 1 good thing about hunting.
I am not voting for either one of them...because I don't want to be a part of any of it, when whoever actually makes it in there, gets us all killed in a war.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I think the hunting to survive topic was talking about times quite awhile back not surviving in an apartment lmao. You never had to survive based on what the land and nature could produce so naturally you'll never understand the reasons some people hunt. Do you eat meat? How do you think it makes it to the dinner table?
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I was a total vegetarian for over 20 years, even now ..I eat very little meat...but even when I did eat meat- I never ran outside and killed my own chicken. People are still talking about hunting to survive. Anyone who is that poor , is on food stamps in our country anyway. They are eating better than most people. You are only allowed a couple deer per person per hunting season. Plus, my biggest problem with hunting is people calling it a "sport"....arm the deer with a weapon, and then maybe it will be even. Animals may not be able to talk, but they have feelings, and they know fear, and they feel pain. Anybody that doesn't have any kind of compassion for life- wether it is an animal's or a person's, I don't want any part of being around people like that. The fact that someone can end a life, without remorse...I don't want a person like that in control of where I live.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Well the "very little" meat that you do eat has to come from somewhere so saying that is awfully hypocritical. Wow more generalized biased statements follow that what a suprise.......
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
Is stepping on an ant considered killing? Is it ok to swat a fly with a fly swatter?
I'm not a hunter myself but I understand the need to hunt and approve of the concept of hunting.
My beliefs as a whole are pretty liberal but I still feel a person should be able to own firearms. They don't need an entire arsenal but a person should be allowed to own a rifle so he can kill a deer, own a shotgun to get a duck or pheasant and even own a pistol of some kind to protect his home and family.
With that being said there's still no way I'll ever vote for Sarah Palin, I'm just more in tune with the overall Obama/Biden ticket and that's who will be getting my vote on November 4.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
What he said.....
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
Guns don't kill people--people kill people, whether it's accidentally or intentionally. Owning a gun doesn't mean that you're a thug, or a bad person who doesn't care about the safety of others. Believe it or not, and ya probably won't, but people still hunt, not necessarily to survive, but because they enjoy it. Also, one of my good friends' husband hunts...they both are teachers and make good money. So he doesn't hunt to survive and no, they're not on food stamps. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. Any type of meat you eat, whether it's turkey, pork, chicken, beef, venison, moose whatever, had to be killed first. Maybe you weren't the one who killed it, but someone sure did. And just because someone's on food stamps doesn't mean that they have all that they need. I know people who work at minimum wage jobs to support their families and they get no help from the government. IMO, those people are the ones who need support such as food stamps.
Posted by StevenHW (Member # 509) on :
quote:Originally posted by ISIS: ...Plus, my biggest problem with hunting is people calling it a "sport"....arm the deer with a weapon, and then maybe it will be even. Animals may not be able to talk, but they have feelings, and they know fear, and they feel pain...
That reminds me when Jesse Ventura was the Governor of Minnesota. He made a public remark saying "real" hunting is when you hunt another human being. Hunters were upset by that!
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
That is an interesting statement. I am not saying I am not a hypocrite by eating some meat, and I wear leather shoes (sneakers)- I certainly am a hypocrite on that issue...but, that doesn't mean that I condone hunting. Honestly I can not even think about the whole issue of where meat comes from, or I'd be sick every day. But, I am no way going to think it's cool for people to kill for fun. Do you think Sarah Palin fried up a Caribou and fed it to her family for diner?
That's cool what Jesse Venture said. Honestly I could kill a person before I could kill an animal...because people do things that deserve it...animals don't-they just are minding their own business and trying to survive on this planet too, and thanks to humans...we have managed to wipe out many species of animals because of hunting.
Obama doesn't know what he's doing either, and they both lie...neither one of them has any right to call the other one a liar. They both have had all kinds of things in their past...that should have tainted them from even being given this opportunity. I think it is horrible, that this is all we have to choose from, to lead our country....there has to be more qualified people out there.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
So that means that if somebody has a gun and they are out camping and say a bear corners them, then they should tell the bear "I surrender you can have me" and hope for the best? You're confusing. You get your leather shoes and eat "very little meat" through the slaughter of animals which you are against? Either way an animal has died for somebody's benefit be it food or fashion or hobby...
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Well...if your out sleeping wear bears live...then if your attacked by one...it shouldn't come as a surprise.
Posted by jdocster (Member # 5752) on :
I do most of my hunting in the supermarket?
I respect that everybody has the right to own a firearm and to hunt/fish. I myself am an avid fisherman. I don't have any problem consuming dear, turkey buffalo etc. I have never found anyone to take me hunting and show me the ropes. Because of this, I started hunting in the supermarkets. While dear and turkey may be a worthy adversary, I tell you nothing, nothing is more difficult to catch than the "elusive" local butcher on a Saturday afternoon! You have to fight off the other hunters (women) and sometimes you even have to take a ticket and wait your turn! Even when you do get your "shot" at the butcher, that's no guaranty that you will leave with your intended "quarry". Sometimes other "hunters" get there first. No my friends. Hunting is NOT easy! Posted by NowhereGirl (Member # 465) on :
i personally would never go into the wild and then kill a wild animal in it's own habitat....just for fun. but that's just me. now if a bear came charging through the city streets of phoenix, where people can get mauled then i would do my best to protect myself.
but for those who choose to do that.. that's their deal.
back on topic... i'm with pettyfan.. i'll be glad once this election is over.
Posted by Sam 'The Made Man' Hain (Member # 3150) on :
This was from a special Thursday night edition of Saturday Night Live with:
Will Ferrell as George W Bush Tina Fey as Sarah Palin Darrell Hammond as John McCain
absolutely hilarious. SNL usually sucks but they always are a winner during election time
Was wondering if anybody else besides me has taken advantage of early voting? I did my civic duty as an American this afternoon and voted. That's now 7 presidential elections that I've taken part in.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
Only time I voted early was when I was in college.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I am dog sitting my friend's dog all day Tuesday while she works the polls....I am going to get up early and go vote...not sure how long of a line there will be, and what a good time to go would be.
For the last few days I have been bombarded with friends pleading to me on who to vote for....I really was undecided ...until yesterday...like I said before...I didn't know which way to go, because they are both unqualified, and it's going to be bad either way...but I can't fight all my friends and my husband anymore, so I have decided I am going to pick who I hope is the lesser of the 2 evils. I am sure I'll regret it later.
I think it stinks that we have such lousy choices.
I decided that I had to vote...it's too important not to.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Vote Barr as Libertarian if you dont like McCain or Obama. Barr doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning but at least the other 2 wont be getting your vote. It may be hard to dogsit as you may be in line half the day waiting to vote. They say its record turnouts this year everywhere......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Wow...I figured that about waiting in line, my son will dog sit while I am gone. If I am there too long...then I might say the heck with it. I never even heard of Barr....I thought about doing just that though...who knows...when I get there...all could change.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
The issue with either not voting, or voting for an obvious 'no-win' candidate, is that you are effectively passively accepting whoever actually gets in.
We have a similar (but not so extreme) situation over here in the UK - whilst there are a number of parties, and three main parties in Labour, Conservative, and Lib Democrats, the truth of the matter is that it's only ever going to be a two-horse race between Labour and the Conservatives. Voting for anyone else isn't really going to make any difference to who wins the overall election.
If you want to actually influence the outcome (or at least participate in influencing the outcome) you need to cast your vote for either McCain or Obama.
The worst part of it for an outside observer like me is seeing that there are way more downsides to either candidate than positives. and I can only see it going one way, as a 'history-making' vote, despite any actual policies or promises that are made by either party.
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
I'm watching the SNL presidential special right now. There's a lot at stake in this election, but gosh darn it Tina Fey just does such a good Palin impression. I'm getting the impression there's a lot of cynical voters out there.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Paul is right...it doesn't make sense to vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in winning, because it is a waste of a vote then...and you really might as well not even vote.
I have been struggling with this whole thing all day...my good friend is the assistant to our State Represenative, and she called me tonight to invite me to a party tomorrow night...but I don't go to those kind of things...she made some good points on stuff...but she told me to go with my gut on who I felt would be the best leader.
Earlier today a girl who is my friend...who I met when she came and stayed here as a guest...she just joined the military, and she called me from a huge military base in South Carolina, and she is only 19 years old, but she could get deployed to Irag after she completes basic training, which she only has a week to go with that. She says Obama will get us out of the war...and she is scared about the war. I know McCain is a huge military dude, and he doesn't want the war to end.
I don't like McCain and Palin's personal beliefs....
but I am scared that Obama has no experience, and terrorists know that...and if he is elected, they are going to do something to attack us some how....
my friend who works as an assistant state rep. said that Obama needs 4 more years...and then he should run again...at that point he will have more experience to do the job.
I think Obama is the more compassionate person....and that part I like about him...but I really am so torn over what is going to happen to small business owners. I am worried about the whole thing with social security. I am worried about the illegal alien thing.
I just think this whole thing is such a mess. I hated the debates and how they never answered questions...they just pointed the finger at each other.
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Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
Whoever gets elected tomorrow they are going to have to face the facts that there's not going to be any overnight miracles. Being deep in the hole with debt, countless problems plaguing the nation, it's a huge mess inherting the ills of the current administration. Maybe people are skeptical of his experience or what not, but you have to admit Obama can't do any worse than what's gone on the last 8 years.
Do you think McCain ran a bad campaign? Why wasn't he doing these SNL-Monday night football appearances a month ago?
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
Well I just got back from voting. I did something I've never done before...I wrote-in a candidate. I refused to vote for the person running for one of our county offices so I wrote-in one of his opponents from the May election. Will that keep him from winning? Nah. But I felt good about it.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I voted this morning too. I only had to stand in line about 10 minutes. I was there at 8am. I don't feel good about any of it.
I don't think Obama can do worse than what we have had for the past 8 years...but what worries me even more than that...is that it doesn't matter who wins.....I do think we are in such a bad situation right now...that I don't know how anyone can bail us out...financially...or with the war...
I think the President of the United States doesn't have that much say so anyway...but that one person takes all the heat for every bad choice made in our government.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
It's not really passively accepting. It's like such and such is gonna win but at least they won't get my vote. I think it's more of a personal selection/pride thing here in the states.....
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I think Obama has it.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Yup McCain just spoke.....
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
McCain made a great, classy speech in defeat. I can't believe it's almost over. Obama, Mr. President-elect.
Posted by Toxic Sammy Hain (Member # 3150) on :
YES!!!!
I'm very happy with the people of my country and for my country.
Posted by TKO (Member # 1471) on :
Congratulations America!
Though it may not seem as much of a concern to us foreigners... indirectly the outcome of this election does have it’s impact for the rest of the world too.
Another course was much needed.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
Please don't make the mistake of judging Obama for what he has done - cos the truth is that he's done nothing so far except run a very slick media campaign in an ideal moment in time. Americans have voted for a change, not for a Democrat or for a black man as president.
If you want to see whether this was really the right choice, then look at how history judges Obama. If he's remembered solely about who he was rather than what he did, then he will have failed. If he's remembered preiarily for his actions and achievements, rather than simply being the first african-american to hold this office, then it would have been proved a good choice. Not that McCain would have been any better, but I'm simply concerned that Obama's inexperience may still cause problems now that he's being called on to run something a little bigger than a glorified ad campaign.
For now, certainly for this observer, the jury is still out.
Posted by TKO (Member # 1471) on :
'Only time will tell'
You gotta at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
Bush was um… sort of experienced, but couldn’t even sum up 5 world leaders before he became president. And look at what he accomplished in 8 years of presidency – nothing but chaos. It hardly can’t get any worse than that.
Would it really matter if Obama is inexperienced? After all they have their advisors. What’s important for me right now is that Obama ‘seems’ to have his heart in the right place and shows signs of intelligence. While ‘W’ always looked and proved to be plain stupid.
Anyway, I wish him the best of luck. Cause again… however odd it sounds, this concerns us all.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
Bush wasn't anywhere near as dumb as his opponents made out - they went for him the same way they have been going for Sarah Palin - make a caricature out of them early on, and anything they do (when in the media spotlight 24-7 for eight years) is gonna stick. Anyone will look bad over time under those circumstances.
After 9/11, no American would have wanted Al Gore anywhere near the White House. He was the right president for his time. he probably wasn't the best, but wasn't the worst by a long way. reagan was a surprise choice, and is now seen as a great President. Hopefully Obama will be to.
It's not a matter of giving him the benefit of the doubt - it's simply a case of he has now got the job, he's got 4 years to prove he's worthy of the trust placed in him. and given the level of trust he has been shown, he has a lot to live up to.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I have mixed feelings about everything...I hope that he does make a change...Paul's right about that. The one thing is...they have been interviewing every black person they can to see what they have to say about it, and people are saying things like...it's about time. But...really it never should matter what color skin someone has...it is if they are the best person for the job, and I think at times people go over the top in both directions with that.
My mom was so happy for Obama...she said that when she was pregnant with me...40 years ago, she had to get out of Baltimore, MD because they were rioting all over the place over civil rights...my mom said that back in the 60s you could not sit at the same counter in a diner with a black person, that they use to make them use seperate entrances..and I guess I never realized how bad it was...because 40 years isn't that long ago. Now..I have never been a vicitim of racism and I have no idea how awful that would feel....so on one hand I do feel like it is time we had a black president...because there never should have ever been a problem with that before....but it has to be based on wether he is qualified or not.
I do think we need a young strong man...who is tough enough to deal with this mess..but who still has compassion for people. That's the part about him that I hope is his best attribute.
I was really glad to see Hillary and Bill Clinton being so supportive of him. Bill Clinton is going to be the Treasury Advisor...I liked Bill Clinton, and thought he did a good job as president, so I am happy that Obama is being very selective about who he is picking to be on his team.
I really think Sarah Palin hurt McCain alot. Nobody wanted to see her be president if something happened to McCain.
We just all have to sit back and see what happens, and hope that the people made the right choice. That's the good thing about only being able to have that job 4 years...but the other thing is... you can do alot of damage in that amount of time...look at what we have been through already...so I feel like TKO...give him a chance, it can't be worse than what we have had.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
quote:Originally posted by ISIS: I really think Sarah Palin hurt McCain alot. Nobody wanted to see her be president if something happened to McCain.
And that's exactly what I was talking about above - people see the caricature of Palin that the media (fed by the Obama campain team) created - and not the person. Same as Bush - the Edwards team last time out tried to paint him as this loser idiot who couldn't be trusted to sit the right way on a lavatory seat, and in their case it didn't work. But the image of him as a figure of fun rather than a sensible politician stuck.
Yes Obama needs to be given a chance, and yes I hope he is able to deliver. But given the hype and stature that his campaign team have endowed him with, he's been set up for one hell of a fall if he proves unworthy of people's trust.
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
Good job americans!
Posted by Toxic Sammy Hain (Member # 3150) on :
I'm glad that we were able to elect a clear-cut decisive winner and not suffer the same debacle that we did back in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote but lsot the presidency due to the electoral vote.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Did you guys see that same county in Florida that messed up before...did it again this time. How hard is it to vote? They make it as simple as possible.
Posted by Toxic Sammy Hain (Member # 3150) on :
what needs to be done is that everyplace has to be required to have the same type of ballots whether it be paper, electroni, scan instead of each individual place doing it their own way
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